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Bout time for another update I think.
So I got the 3d movement and spawn/exit location picking working ish just after the last post, so now you can see what it’ll look like in game:

Yes movement works.

Then I also made the map look much better too with map zoom and scrolling buttons:

The reason I say the entry/exit location picking works-ish is because I’m not really satisfied with the location selection, basically right now it just chooses the tile, then loops through the tile to select the nearest “open” square, it does this because I didn’t bother to have it track which tiles have the spawn/exit values in them, so right now it’ll end up putting the player and the exit into the middle of a hallway.

You can see the player as the yellow circle on the above map, and the exit as the blue square.

I’ve thought about potentially having the map track/only update if you’ve seen an area, but that seems like potentially scope creep I don’t know that I care for, so I’ll probably look into that after I get enemies and combat working, since that’s like the next things required to make this actually be a game.

I think next time I’ll try to have more UI figured out, not sure I’ll do inventory, but at least the scrolling text showing what happened, or what is going on would be nice to have so I can potentially have debug printing in there instead of to console.

I may also see if I can set up a jenkins job to build this as well, since I already have a jenkins semi-working on my laptop, it has bad uptime, but if it works to build Linux, no problems there, then I might take a break from dev on this project to work on making a docker image to build windows builds from linux, which would be helpful so I can just press buttons to get both builds of this project. Since I plan on chunking this project out commercially prior to finishing up my game engine project.

Right so the start of this crunchless challenge that I’m working on this roguelike gridder game for is looming ever nearer, and so now the pressure of actually trying to plan/figure out if I can finish dev, market, release for sale the game by the end of November is starting to increase.

Based on the scope of what I want to include, including all of it in the initial release at the end of November doesn’t seem feasible. Also the price I found to be ideal for this type of game based on the bit of research I did for other similar games seems too high for what I think will be possible at the end of November, so I think my plan is to release in Early Access at a lower price, then release updates for a bit, bump it out of Early Access and increase the price to the price I found through market research.

So I spent a bunch of time putting some items into Quire, trying to organize based on need/want, tagging with type of task, and started organizing the initial release.
I feel like I’ve gotten a lot of stuff done with the level generation, etc, but wow is there a lot of stuff left. 22 tasks in for the end of november so far, and potentially more as more items are thought of. Luckily some of those I think can be cut from the release if needed, although all of the items are things that I think would be nice to have in a paid early access.

I’m also adding in a bunch of other items to try to plan out one or two other releases after the initial release, I think if I want to ever kick this entirely out the door and get back to my game engine project I’ll need to wrap this darn thing up within a few months so I can re-focus on my engine, if anything cutting most of it and selling for less than the market research price i found seems like a reasonable action instead of leading people along to have a ton of planned features.

Of course releasing something for sale as early access implies that there will be possibly significant features to be added in the future and ongoing development, so I’ll probably want to define what is going to be added prior to release in order for transparency to any possible purchasers of the game. If anything I’ll probably go for the under promise and over deliver policy just so that people feel like they’re not being cheated out of something cool, and instead will get new things added in as they are available.

Due to that policy of under promise and over deliver, I suspect not making a statement on how much the final price will be is a good idea, that way it can be adjusted based on how much content is actually chunked out. In addition, cutting the early access price to be low seems good to ensure that even if nothing else comes out after the initial release, that the cost will be worth it.

I suspect adding new content as long as it isn’t new mechanics should be fairly straight forward, so I think there is definitely going to be at least 1-2 more releases after the initial release just to output more content to be distributed into the procedurally generated levels.

So on to describing the tasks and how I organize them.
First I’ll give the disclaimer that of course none of this is committed to be in the final product yet or to ever be released this is just a working wishlist of items that would be nice to add.

This is all of what I have planned to do between now and November 31st so far, with possibly more stuff to come (Note that testing or polishing isn’t really included here, this is basically getting a MVP out the door and for sale as Early Access):

Basically I’m organizing everything with tags to say what kind of item it is, if its got the “Core” tag it’s considered fairly crucial to the initial release and cannot or should not be cut.

From there I lumped it into a sublist of just things I want to do for the initial release, and then gave everything start/end dates to try to ballpark how long each item will take, etc. One issue though is I’m not properly pointing/estimating time, because there’s always going to be some variance in terms of how long things take or how often I feel like working on this project.

I also have a sublist for a proposed follow up feature release after the initial release but of course, that’s all mostly up in the air based on how long this takes and how long those features take.

Probably the item that will cause me to fail this challenge is of course, not feeling like working on it and playing on the Switch instead. I consider all of the programming work completely doable in this time frame with the caveat that it might be considered crunch to fix all the bugs, and the art is going to be rushed pixel art, so it’s not going to be anything fancy or take too much time.

The Challenge has started!!

I’m also devlogging this stuff over here on itch now too. Mostly so that I can hide the rest of my ramblings and meanderings and failed/forgotten projects away here 🙂

I’ll still probably update here on occasion but not necessarily once a week if I’m busy updating over there and then worrying about how I’ll get all this stuff done.

The Good news: I cranked out the door stuff and the floor changing stuff and a little scrolling text box yesterday! That knocks out like 2-3 items from that list from last update here. Also did a bit of prep for enemy generation on the levels, so that’s good but not there yet.

The Bad news: I forgot that the challenge also includes like, marketing and branding and crap and forgot to add those into my quire task list yet. So I need to figure out things like trailers, flashy screenshots, writing some sort of blurb and stuff on the itch page, etc. Or at least throw those tasks into my todo list and plan time for them.

Might also need to start tweeting again to like, promote this darn thing if I want to actually sell any of it near the end, but of course it doesn’t look pretty at all yet, and I don’t think it ever will, so maybe I need to not do that yet… Hard to say how to market something that looks like programmer art and will always look like programmer art.

Here’s what it looks like now with a door, and some test text and some real text in the text log box thingy:

Next up is enemies + combat, as well as getting the Jenkins Linux build going.
And jenkins Windows build is planned as well, since I suspect I won’t get many sales without a Windows build 😛
Also plan to have a compass for telling you which direction you’re facing, which will work better for using the map and knowing which way you’re facing instead of having to move around while on the map screen. (Which is totally possible and I’m not planning on removing as a feature, easier to let you move with the map up than to bother not letting you move with the map up)

Challenge started 2 days ago, and I already got distracted with a different project which looks more exciting…

So my Invicta 8932 watch which I like, just got back in March decided to stop working, and now is only working sporadically. It’s still under warranty, but apparently is discontinued, so we’re not sure if we’re getting a replacement or refund, so I started looking into smartwatches.

I don’t want to drop like $300 on a smartwatch that I can’t tinker with, so I was looking into hackable/programmable smartwatches. I found Watchy which looks promising, $50 for basically an assembled PCB, an epaper display, and a strap, but its out of stock. There’s also the Bangle.js but it’s $100, looks nicer and is waterproof (and in stock), but that’s a lot for something that runs someone else’s firmware, and I have to program in Javascript of all things.

So what’s the alternative? Why I’ll just make one, I have a degree in Computer Engineering that I use to do Software engineering, it’s about time I dove back into hardware and PCB design. Watchy is made with the ESP32, that’s a chip that supports Wifi, Bluetooth, and Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE), and I know it comes in a module that has all the RF work done for me, and is already FCC certified.

But of course all the ESP32 modules I can find are entirely out of stock… but the 48-QFN is in stock!

Except that I’m not going to be an idiot and try soldering a 48-QFN this time, last time I tried doing a 28-QFN and I couldn’t tell if I got it or not.

To give an idea of what I’m talking about, here’s the 28 pin QFN package I have that I tried soldering once upon a time. Notice that it is placed on a dime for scale, not a quarter:

I put it upside down so you can see the contacts, those go down onto the PCB, and are not visible from the outside, you have to hot air flow the solder while blind and hope you get it right. Usually these types of joints will be done in a reflow oven (which I don’t have) and verified using Xray to check connections (Which I also don’t have).
Yeah so no way I’m doing a 48 pin QFN any time soon, at least QFPs have the contacts as little legs that stick out so you can inspect them with a microscope (Which I also don’t have, yet.)

Plus if I go with the 48-QFN then I have to do the RF board design, design an antenna, hope it works, and spend money on PCB fab right away without even knowing if it’ll work, so that’s not what I’m going to do for this project (this time… I have a bad habit of jumping into PCB design without having prototyped anything, PCB layout is very fun and one of my favorite things in college so I like to go do it if I can.)

Instead I’m looking at dev boards, because sure the ESP32 modules are all out of stock if you want just the module, but I found these ESP32 dev boards on Adafruit which look like just the right thing for testing this stuff out.

They include the ESP32 module I would hope to find back in stock eventually, and all the necessary supporting electronics on it, with a handy micro USB port to program it through, and likely it already has a firmware that allows in circuit programming, also a built in LiPo/Li-Ion charger circuit, and USB to serial (serial usually means UART, that’s how you get a console out of a microcontroller, and how you get bootloader logs out of a SoC. (ie how you debug a phone that doesn’t boot))

So we’re going with an ESP32 module with this datasheet. Reading datasheets is a bit of a skill in itself, and it’s less stressful if I’m using a dev board, because I don’t have to try to decode what circuitry is needed to make the thing go, that’s already done, I just need to look at things like features, pinout, and then also figure out the pinout of the dev board, and from there I can choose what sorts of sensors, gadgets, doohickeys, and devices I can hook up to the thing.

First section you want to check is the overview section, usually there’s a short list of all the fancy features your microcontroller or other component has.
The big hitter features on the ESP32 are the Wifi and Bluetooth features of course, but its also got a 32-bit dual-core on it, clocking at 240MHz, which isn’t a super high speed processor, but I think it should do for a smartwatch.
And like standard microcontrollers, you can do UART, SPI, I2C, PWM, and some other more exotic features. Capactive touch is a cool one on the ESP32, as well as IR. So that’s some cool stuff.

The datasheet is all about the hardware itself usually, it will have things like the pinout, electrical characteristics, temperature behavior, the shape and size of the part, safe operating temperatures, voltages, and currents. That sort of thing. But it doesn’t tell you how to actually do anything with it, for that you have to find a different document, which is luckily linked in the ESP32 datasheet, The technical reference manual Sometimes what you’re looking for will also be called a programming guide, user guide, or something else to that effect. There is also a separate User Guide linked to from the datasheet, but we’ll check the tehcnical reference first.

Typically when you’re going after programming a microcontroller you want to try to find what’s called the Register Map or the Address Map. Basically you access all the peripherals through memory addresses, so the way you figure out which part of memory to access for what is to look for the Map that tells you which part is for which things, or sometimes you just go to the section for what you’re looking on how to do and it’ll describe it there.

For example, if I want to figure out how to use the SPI interface, a 4 wire method of talking to other things, just go to the SPI section, and you get a whole bunch of details on timing, interrupts, etc, and then there’s also a handy Register Summary here, which details all the addresses of the registers needed to do SPI stuff, and what the registers do.

This is great, but also note that you may not need to do this in depth reading of the manuals, most of these boards also come with libraries and such for common development environments, so it may not be necessary depending on what board you choose and what you’re doing.

So I’ve got the microcontroller selected, and I can find the features that are available on it very easily, next up is figuring out what to put together with that to make a watch!

So there are a few things needed, like a display and some form of input, but also some other items that would be totally cool, specifically in the sensors category:

  • A screen or display, need to choose touchscreen, non-touchscreen, OLED vs Epaper vs TFT vs LCD
  • Input/controls
    • Buttons
    • knobs?
  • Sensors/other peripherals
    • Motion sensor, typically used for tracking steps, not sure I care about that.
    • air quality sensor, CO/CH4 sensor - Feels like a cool feature to have on your watch, being able to detect dangerous gases and such
    • temperature, humidity, air pressure sensor - not necessarily the most useful since you can already feel two of these things at least.
    • geiger counter/radiation sensor - extra cool factor
    • IR blaster - need to replace the one on my dying phone with something else I can have always on me to control the TV volume, I lose remotes too easy or I’m too lazy to cross the room for the remote.
  • microSDcard reader? - Not sure on this one yet, seems like it would add cost but not sure there’s much point, depends on how much storage is needed and what all the thing will be doing, and even then I’m not sure if removeable storage makes sense vs just EMMC or something like that.
  • LEDs - Not really necessary, although having a bright LED for use as a flashlight could be handy, probably a battery killer though
  • Battery
    • there are a ton of different kinds of battery chemistry all with pros and cons, so likely I’ll need to research NiCd, NiMh, LiPo, Li-Ion, varieties. Adafruit has a LiPo that is made to go with the dev board I’m getting, so for now I’m just going with that, the 500mAh kind, the dev board already has LiPo/Li-Ion charging and monitoring circuitry and connector. All I do know for now, is I’m going with rechargeable in the final design, and probably need to make sure its not an explode-y kind, granted having a self destruct feature on your wrist does sound cool, it’s not really the kind of thing my wife would prefer I think.

So that’s hardware, but what about software?
So I haven’t done anything with an ESP32 before, so I’m not fully certain on the dual-core nature of it, and how to best program for that, so I’m likely going to be using a pre-built software package, either from some example ESP32 code, or potentially an RTOS (Real Time Operating System).

RTOSes are usually used on microcontrollers for safety, mission critical systems, they are preferred for systems like that over a scheduled operating system because RTOSes are deterministic, they will schedule threads in the same priority order over other threads, so while there is the mess of setting the thread priorities, once set you’ll always know that your mission critical threads will take priority over the non-mission critical threads. At my old company the people doing the RTOS dev were separate from the Android and OS/BSP guys, I was one of the Android and OS/BSP guys so I’m not familiar with RTOS development, so this will likely be a fun experiment.

There is likely the question of “Why not run Linux?” as well, I am more familiar with Embedded Linux, especially in the Android ecosystem, than I am with RTOSes, but there is a slight issue here, the dual-core only clocks at 240MHz, I’m not wanting to use up any more of it with a larger OS than is needed, and in addition, the amount of RAM available is measured in KB, I think even the lightest Linux builds want at least a few MB of RAM, in this case we get only 4MB of flash memory, which is the not RAM storage kind, but the “program lives here” kind, so not only would Linux need to have enough RAM, it would need enough storage, which would mean writing just a bootloader and then having that load the Linux kernel from elsewhere, and good luck getting your kernel to fit into KB of memory.

So that’s it for this long-ass adventure into hardware and making a replacement watch. Hopefully I won’t stay distracted from my roguelike for long, and I can get an order in with the dev board so I can start playing around.

If anyone has any ideas on how to find a good 1.5" to 2.5" display, let me know. I’m likely to get a display module I guess but they run like $20 for a 1.5 inch display, and come with an sdcard and other crap. I’m starting to look into AliExpress but that’ll take like a month to ship to me if not longer, granted it looks like you can get what I need for like $6

Next time I hope to be back on the roguelike, and/or have some sort of hardware to show off!

Well here we are, the end of November. I 1000% got distracted by other things instead of working on the roguelike for the crunchless challenge thing I was trying to do. But hey I didn’t crunch on anything so i succeeded on the crunchless part of it! I just didn’t do much of anything programming or game dev related.

My 3d printer came in and I got distracted and now have another new project: I’m making a redox split keyboard with Kailh box jade switches. Parts are all on order and arrive in January, printing the case and the keycaps myself, so far the two test keycaps I made feel okay to me, but I don’t have any other box switches to test fit them with so I need to wait until january when they arrive to test fit them to make sure that they will work.

Back to the Game engine project

Yeah I went back to working on my game engine project again. Still trying to get scene saving/loading working, still using json for that, and currently bored of writing save/load logic so will likely keep saving json until either I run into it taking up too much memory/space, or it takes too long to load when needed. I think lazy route is best for getting anything actually finished/shipped.

So basically I’m stuck on writing out how to convert a bunch of different components that an entity might have to JSON, and then I eventually need to write the code to load all that back in too, which I don’t think is even started yet.

But it has been a while since I provided screenshots, and I was super close to getting json output actually, so here have some screenshots of me showing me typing a console command to save an entity, and then let me show some json that was generated from the Entity that was saved.

Screenshot first:

And a screenshot showing the feedback you get from running the command, I know it’s not much feedback but its something:

And now check out the json generated for the cube you see in the screenshot, in a file called “MeshEntity.json”

 {"EcsName":{"value":"MeshEntity"},"TransformComponent":{"position":{"x":0,"y    ":0,"z":0},"rotation":{"w":0,"x":0,"y":0,"z":0},"scale":1},"VisibleComponent    ":{"opaque":true,"visible":true}}

I haven’t fully figured out how I want to save Mesh components yet, part of the issue is with this specific case, I don’t have a RUID/path to just store to a model, that mesh is generated in Lua, which means that if I wanted to store it I would likely have to parse/store out the entire freaking mesh into the json, including vert data, face data, texcoord data, and maybe vert color data, and texture data somehow since the texture is handled by being a material set to the mesh.

So I’m so close yet so far. I’m hoping that if I set up model loading from files, that I can make it easier to save that out to json, and then either just won’t save programmically generated meshes, or something. idk yet.

I also have a few other components not implemented yet, and loading hasn’t been touched at all, neither is saving the children of the entity selected to save. But still this is good progress!

Guess I’m not good at doing these posts weekly anymore so I’ll jump in here again even though I’m not where I wish I was.

I have entity saving working for saving out the children of entities now! fixed some bugs with getting the list of children from the Lua code!

Working on getting the loading done now, and it’s as boring/painful a slog as saving was but worse somehow. (I didn’t write any helpers, I’m writing crap out longform like picojson::value and std::map<std::string,picojson::value> and then value.get<std::map<std::string,picojson::value>>() kind of things.
For each time I need to get an object out. and then more crap for getting values from the object.

Needless to say I’m not super highly confident/happy with it but hey it’ll work once I slog it all out… Just adding saving/loading new components will be some major pain I think.

I was just going to go get some screen shots of some commands and such, and found a new bug. so that’s exciting.

I added an entity Entity01 then added Entity02 as a child of Entity01 then added Entity03 as a child of Entity02 and then tried to get the children of Entity02 and got this:

12-20-2021 11:43:03 | I LUASCRIPT: ayyy we got a command: 'getChildrenOf Entity02'

(null):19: error: unresolved component identifier 'Entity02'
    CHILDOF | Entity02
Aborted (core dumped)

So that’s so wonderful. it’s an error from the ECS library I use called flecs I think, but not sure if its a bug in how I did the query writing, or if it’s a bug in the library, or what.

Starting to think I might need to either upgrade the flecs version, switch to a different ECS library, or write my own since I keep having issues with it that are somewhat outside of my control.

Starting to think that ECSes aren’t that great if you’ only really using the E and C parts of them and not the Systems part. having all my logic outside of the systems has been a bit of a struggle with the library asserting on me for various reasons.

It might also not help that I’m on like version 2.2.0 but there’s since been a 2.3.0, and now the latest is like 2.4.8 or something, so there have been a lot of patch releases since I last updated. I’d already update but it’s hard to find all the changelog/patch notes and there are basically breaking changes with nearly every update.

So I’m actually going to go completely off tangent here from how I started writing this post (because I’m too lazy to delete all that I already wrote and start over), i originally meant to show off some new loading/saving crap I did. Instead I’m going to bring up alternative ECS solutions, and then I think I’ll just pick one and say I’m switching to it and go with that.

I’m currently using Flecs a ECS system that is for C and C++ and is supposedly fast and all that crap. I don’t remember how I chose it, I know my requirements for chosing one were basically easy to integrate, fast enough, and works.

Flecs is basically a c file and a header file, so it checked the easy to integrate part. and the documentation was fairly solid in terms of having examples and stuff on how to use it. The problem is every time it updates it has breaking changes, and I keep running into threading issues, or issues where I add entities outside of it, and it doesn’t seem super thread safe.

I went and looked back at a different ECS library I saw before but didn’t go with, called EnTT which is supposedly the “fastest” and used by minecraft. I don’t care about the fastest, but looking at it again, what caught my eye was in the integration section, it actually lets you just include only the Entity and Component part. Which seems to be literally the only part I need/use right now.

EnTT is also single header only, and all that, so now I’m of the mind of basically branching my engine, swapping the ECS library to EnTT, and then seeing how that works instead.

For obvious reasons of the fact that I’m lazy, I didn’t bother wrapping the ECS library in any way shape or form, because it’s so vital/tied in to everything in the engine I didn’t plan on ever needing to change the library.

I may yet decide I need to wrap it this time, I’m not sure. if I wrap it that will help me to switch back and forth between ECS libraries and possibly help me to upgrade from one version to another, so that does seem like a good idea.

In order to pull off the switch to EnTT I will also need to modify basically the entirety of my engine. I need to change the lua binding code to use the new methods of adding/removing/modifying entities and components, I need to change the update thread where it pulls out the entities that get rendered to pass them to the render thread. I need to update the saving/loading stuff already and its not even done yet. And maybe more. Definitely will be quite a project so wrapping the ECS seems like a logical thing to do in case I need to do this again in the future, and I suspect it can be done without tanking performance as well, either via macros or via inlining things.

Well that’s it for now, I guess I’ll post again in a few months when I’ve got the new ECS library in 😛

So switching over to EnTT actually wasn’t as painful as I was expecting. I’m not quite fully at the same features as it was on flecs, and the saving/loading is entirely nuked, but so far the rendering and all that crap is mostly working on EnTT, really only took a couple sessions of sitting down and replacing all the flecs includes with entt and then seeing what broke.

I did have an issue with EnTT asserting when removing and entity, but I suspect I just need to check that my threads aren’t screwing themselves up and make sure all is deleted in a “single” thread.

Also a few differences I’ve noticed between EnTT and Flecs:

  1. There are no built in Entity names in EnTT, meaning there’s no built in name lookup.
    • Easily fixed by keeping a map of strings to entities myself, only issue is the difficulty of going from entity to name, so might need a component too? not too difficult since that’s how it was done on Flecs, there was a EcsName component that held the name.
  2. There is no built in hierarchy mechanism in EnTT.
    • This means that I’ll need to roll my own, but that’s not honestly too painful, I’ve done data structures stuff before and there are some examples of structures/how to store it.

Also funny thing, there is an example of serializing the tree, and it uses a library I hadn’t heard of before called Cereal, which by the looks of it, makes serializing stuff to various formats fairly trivial. So I’m likely going to be redoing all the saving/loading stuff with that, which is great because the save/load isn’t working too well anyways.

Next steps are:

  • Figure out the remaining issues with getting Entity names and how to store that (likely adding a component for it, which I already was going to do with Flecs but then found they had their own, so now I just need to add mine back and use it.
  • Figure out how to do a hierarchy, or if I don’t need to do that at all
    • Likely want to still do it, makes adding/deleting large chunks of scene much easier. For Example if I want to load in a room, and then delete that room, I can just load in the root and automatically load the children, and then just delete the root (From Lua, I have to traverse the trees in C++) and the rest can be deleted too.
  • Add in the saving/loading stuff with Cereal, there is actually a bunch of examples on how to save snapshots of the entity component system with Cereal, but I’m not sure if I’ll want to do that, or if I’ll go with my previous layout. My previous plan was basically to make it so you would call save on the root node in Lua, and then the C++ binding for that would also save all the children of that entity, so your workflow would consist of basically having a root node for each major thing you want to break the scene into logically, and then that would let you save/remove/load that whole chunk at once.

I’m not concerned about the extra effort of handling the tree traversal myself, I can do that in C++ and I expect all logic to be done in Lua, so from the standpoint of using my engine, it will be just as usable as if it was handled by the ECS library, just in this case I have the power to define the hierarchy tree myself, which could have advantages as well.

I also found that the getting/modifying components for an entity is a bit different than I expected/how it was on Flecs. I expected to be able to basically get a reference to the component and then modify that, however I found that the way I was doing that at least did not modify the values on the entity, so I had to use a separate method to “patch” the component.

Well Cereal has been a bit more of a pain than I expected, the examples make it all look easy, you just do something like the following:

template<class Archive>
void serialize(Archive & ar, NameComponent & ncomp){

And then now that component can be saved and loaded, with some extra setup crap of course, but that’s how its supposed to work.

Well, I do that, but there’s little info on if you put it in the header or in your cpp file, or what, so I’ve tried a few combinations and keep getting some errors that look like this:

Error: static assertion failed: cereal could not find any output serialization functions for the provided type and archive combination. 

 Types must either have a serialize function, load/save pair, or load_minimal/save_minimal pair (you may not mix these). 
 Serialize functions generally have the following signature: 

 template<class Archive> 
   void serialize(Archive & ar) 
     ar( member1, member2, member3 ); 

And in fact it’s longer than that, and this is repeated multiple times too. So now I’ve tried doing some combination of crap like this:

269 template<class Archive>
270 void serialize(Archive & ar, TransformComponent &tcomp){
271     ar(tcomp.position.x, tcomp.position.y, tcomp.position.z);
272     ar(tcomp.rotation.x, tcomp.rotation.y, tcomp.rotation.z, tcomp.rotation.w);
273     ar(tcomp.scale);
274 }
275 template<>
276 void serialize<cereal::JSONOutputArchive>(cereal::JSONOutputArchive & ar, TransformComponent &tcomp){
277     ar(tcomp.position.x, tcomp.position.y, tcomp.position.z);
278     ar(tcomp.rotation.x, tcomp.rotation.y, tcomp.rotation.z, tcomp.rotation.w);
279     ar(tcomp.scale);
280 }
281 template<>
282 void serialize<cereal::JSONInputArchive>(cereal::JSONInputArchive & ar, TransformComponent &tcomp){
283     ar(tcomp.position.x, tcomp.position.y, tcomp.position.z);
284     ar(tcomp.rotation.x, tcomp.rotation.y, tcomp.rotation.z, tcomp.rotation.w);
285     ar(tcomp.scale);
286 }

And I think that kind of fixes some of it? but that’s not what the docs say you can do, that’s not how the EnTT serialization example does it, and it’s specific to outputting to JSON, so if I want to switch what format I output to, since Cereal bakes in JSON, XML, and Binary outputting, then I’d have to rewrite the same function 2x for each additional format. Not an ideal situation.

I suspect the answer is that either its a quirk of templates that I always forget about, to where you have to have the template stuff be either only in the cpp or only in the header, (And it doesn’t help I’m doing this all in a single header, where I use defines to compile the “cpp” part of it, stb header style, so that means it’s easy to confuse myself in which section I’m putting it into) or it’s to do with the Cereal supporting C++ 11 but I’m compiling against C++ 17 and something changed.

In other news, I’m doing Cereal a little bit non-mainstream. Basically the library writes to streams, so you would usually do an ifstream to input a file directly, or an ofstream to output to a file directly. That doesn’t fit in with how I planned things, to where I want everything File/FS related to be handled by my FSManager so that I could possibly be loading stuff from a zipped archive or something else entirely instead of just files straight on the disk. So I needed to figure out how to get it to write to/read from memory so that the underlying file/whatever doesn’t actually matter. stringstream is okay for that, if you need to write strings, but what if you want to write binary streams to memory instead of to a file?

Well I found spanstream! A feature that is part of the C++ 23 standard… which isn’t released/supported yet… So now I know how to implement binary save/load to memory later, for now I guess I’m just using stringstream but there are a few issues with that I think, specifically that I’m not sure how Cereal would deal with endianess, etc etc. Suppose that’s a battle for another day…

Plus I’m sure I won’t really have much of anything actually implemented using this engine until like 2023 or 2024 anyways, so it’s likely that the C++23 standard would be out by the time I’m ready to release anything 😛

ECS switch progress

The good news though on progress with converting to EnTT is that I sort of have the hierarchy stuff figured out, the only iffy part is really in deleting the children of children when you remove an entity, I haven’t written it to traverse down the tree that far, and I’m not doing recursion on that part because of simplicity, and laziness.

Maybe I’ll do the traversal farther down the tree at a later time, but I’m not really expecting to have many cases of children of children, but I suppose I should allow it to delete them eventually. Most likely I’ll want it all to be flat/in loops instead of recursive though, recursion just seems like a bad idea if you’re trying to be portable to a bunch of different platforms because it’s hard to say if there will be enough space for all the stack frames needed, and you can potentially loop infinitely but good luck recursing infinitely.

Also another issue though is that this deletion all happens in the Update Thread, so it will basically hold up updating anything until it finishes, so I think not letting it get caught in a loop is likely a good idea, and for now I can just be careful about not having things nested more than one layer that will need to be deleted.

Summary/Next Steps

So I’m basically at the same place I was at with Flecs already, just struggling through saving/loading again/still. Just with a different type of struggle, but I think this struggle is worth it, because being able to save/load from 3 types at once is far better than the previous single type i had of just json.

After I finish off the serialization crap I basically just need to test it, which I’ve been keeping the lua bindings updates for all this so it should be EZ PZ to just get in game, send some commands and such in the console to add some stuff, then save it out, then remove the entities I added, and load them back and make sure they’re still there.

Then after that I’ll be pretty much done with my 0.0.1 milestone. Next would be my 0.0.2 milestone, I’ll probably need to update the Quire a bit but it basically consists of implementing saving/loading assets/scene data from archives, creating those archives (Since I’m planning to implement all editing in engine, this also has the added benefit of basically being able to bundle world editing/map making/modding tools in game, it’s not laziness of not wanting to make a separate editor, its a feature!)

Then beyond that for the 0.0.2 milestone is basic audio features implemented with miniaudio which I think now has a high level API which does 3d spatial audio if I read the docs correctly, not sure if I’ll do that or just use the low level API as planned previously.

Well I’ve been trying to do Cereal, but here’s kind of the issue, I follow the tutorials but it doesn’t work for me, I can’t get it to compile because it’s for whatever reason not able to find the serialization functions I’ve written, unless I specialize each of the functions as I mentioned before, where I re-write the same thing for every combination of input and output that I want to do.

To me that means I’d rather just write the serialization stuff myself to do Json, XMl, Binary, whatever I want to do rather than try to get Cereal to work the way its supposed to.

Additionally, I found this issue which basically says that Cereal doesn’t work right in a recent version of clang, but they were able to work around it by uncommenting some asserts. I use g++ with cmake, but I figured what the heck, I’ll go uncomment the asserts that are causing failures too. That let’s it compile! but then I just get this for the json output:

  1 {
  2     "value0": "NameComponent",
  3     "value1": {},
  4     "value2": "TransformComponent",
  5     "value3": {},
  6     "value4": "EntityEnd"

And what I didn’t even notice until now, I don’t even have the closing } in there. So in my mind, Cereal is out of the competition now, if you can get it to work with your compiler, great, but for me, I don’t think having XMl, Json, and Binary support if I want to write the same thing 6 times is enough for me to use it.

So I’m planning to go back to the picojson, however this time i’m going to try to not do it the dumb dumb way, and I’ll write serialization methods for types, that way I can have less struggle of writing everything out the long way. This does mean I’m still re-writing my serialization stuff I had before, even though I kept what I had before, but I think my hope is that this means that I can more easily use the serialization again elsewhere if needed, so I could serialize things like settings, configuration, input mappings, etc hopefully more easily in the future.

So right now the plan is to basically make a SerDes abstract class, which I would then use as a base for having a JsonSerDes and other such serialization classes, so I could potentially serialize to multiple formats that way, and then each such class would have a .save(type) function implemented for each type that needs to be serialized. This does mean writing all the serialization for each type manually, but hopefully that should be minimal effort, and then hopefully I can find a way to have Json, Binary, etc saving/loading happen by just changing which class is used, and then calling the same set of methods on it.

This does add some complications in that Json is key/value based, and binary and other formats are not, so there may be some confusion/confusing stuff going on there to where it might not be as clear to read the Json as it would be if I did it the way I did before, but I think this will be least effort in terms of being able to write the SceneLoader to be able to save/load to each format without any extra effort, and as long as saving it out happens in the same way as loading it in does, maybe that does not matter. I could also likely allow using std::map<std::string, value> type deals to allow saving things that already have key/value pairs, perhaps there is a way I can denote the key/string in a binary format as well without much issues. Something yet to be determined I suppose, or maybe I could use BSON or protobuf for binary save/load instead of a custom format.

On top of that, I will probably also need to get bindings together to use it from Lua, either the serialization data directly, or just have a way for Lua to save chunks of memory somehow, that way scripts can save things if they need. Perhaps I could even find a pre-canned Json library for Lua that I could include, that would allow for generating lua saves from Lua, and then just use some API to save it to disk.

Next steps

I’m going to keep including these next steps sections even if I keep rehashing the same crap every time. it helps me keep my duckies in a row in terms of what is next, and it’s nice to be able to see how close I am to having something usable when I’m slogging through saving/loading nonsense.

Next steps are to finish up the save/load junk, and then I’ll basically be done with the first 0.0.1 milestone. Next up is miniaudio audio playback, likely using low level API so I can implement my own stuff on top. not that I need to spend the time implementing my own stuff on top…

other than that, multithreaded loading of things I think is high desire, currently my whole update thread stops to load things, which means large time spend lagging out. Render thread keeps going but no processing happens there, so it basically looks frozen and is frozen. Probably going to need to look into the future/promise types that are C++11/whatever for threading. Then basically just not render/use those assets until they are loaded in. Yes this means that assets that are not loaded at the time they are needed will be invisible and pop in, I might need to implement some kind of preloading system to allow loading crap on a loading screen or with a loading bar, or background pre-loading stuff for nearby areas to load them before they are visible or needed.

Test games/testing the engine

After the audio stuff is done, I think it’ll be a good idea to implement a simple toy game to prove out that the lua bindings work, and everything works. I think my plan for that is likely to be a breakout clone, just because I’ve done those before, the logic is minimal, and the physics can be fairly simple.

I also technically have bullet physics already “integrated” but I haven’t actually tested that, or implemented the lua bindings to create rigidbody components for entities, so that as well as save/load for the rigidbody component will be needed. Then a different test game will be needed, likely i’ll go for some sort of sandbox-y type thing or something where you walk a player character around and can throw things and bump into things. Just to make sure that the physics of things all works as expected.

Once those basic tests are complete, I think it can be time to actually try to go implement a game. the engine would be mostly in a usable state hopefully by that point, maybe with some UI work to be done, I’m still not decided on if I want to finish implementing my own UI elements as originally planned, or to proceed with using the nuklear library, although I’m not sure nuklear is set up to be used with an entity/component system like I have.

I’ve gotten a few ideas/plans together for what I would want my first game or games to be in engine, but of course I keep switching around what I would want to do, between a basic FPS type campaign game, to a horror game, to something else entirely. I think for starting out I would want minimal effort dialog and/or just no dialog options/responses, and no quest systems, that would let me prove out and thoroughly test the basic features before moving on to implementing further elements that would not be able to be thoroughly tested until later. Likely i would add an achievement system before a branching dialog and quest systems, so the achievement system could be tacked on to an existing campaign style FPS game I think.

Or alternatively, I could just jump around between prototypes, slowly building up a library of 3d assets and scripts that could be re-used in other projects. hard to say.

Saving/loading progress

Saving and loading is going great, now that I’m not using Cereal, but I’m also doing it in a sane fashion.

Basically I have an abstract class like this:

 13 class SerDes {
 14     public:
 15     virtual void save(int)=0;
 16     virtual void save(float)=0;
 17     virtual void save(double)=0;
 18     //virtual void save(uint8_t);
 19     //virtual void save(uint16_t);
 20     virtual void save(std::string)=0;

Which basically has save and load functions for each type I need to save or load. Then I extend it with a class for a specific file/save type to save/load, so right now I’m working on a JsonSerDes class which implements all of those functions.

This does mean that if I want to add saving for a type, I will need to add it in the abstract class, and then add it in every single sub class to avoid compilation errors, however this seems to be the best way to do it from a usability perspective for now. better than piling all the picojson crap all into my scene loading/saving for every single thing.

Additionally, now when I need to save a complex type that is a struct or class full of other types, I can just add a save/load pair for it, but then call the save/load functions for each of the types that it needs saved, which means it is now relatively non-painful.

So far I have all the things except for MaterialComponent saving working but untested, I had some pre-existing tech debt around saving/loading materials that I need to re-wrap my head around how I used to want it to work, and to see if I want to change it to work differently now.

One I get all the saving done/polished from this big master SerDes class, then I should be able to go into the sceneloader and basically make the SerDes class, and then just go through the entity, and save the components with a type deal. making sure to save the hierarchies properly of course.

Currently when I use the scene saving command it outputs this:


So we’re almost there, need to test it out more, add saving for more components, and then test the loading and we’ll see where we get.

Art break

I also took a break from coding for a few days this week and did some art things in Blender. Basically I went through Google maps street view looking for things to model, and made a spreadsheet of all the city street/residential street things to model.

I also modeled a few of those items, and then made this render in blender with them, along with some quick/sloppy buildings and pavement, an image pulled from google images in the background, and a car pulled from blendkit:

All of the concrete barriers, traffic light, and construction cones, barrels, and bike racks are modeled for my street props stuff.

I don’t know that me starting with modeling street/city props means I will be making a game set in a city or street any time soon, but browsing maps street view seemed like a good way to see what different areas look like and figure out what props belong there or are needed. So rather than try to browse pinterest or google images for reference, it was easier to just “travel” to the location via street view instead to see what different things look like.

I was also reminded that Google maps actually lets you view inside some buildings with the street view type features, so I could potentially use that as a resource for how to layout some buildings, restaurants, or other attractions. Since it’s not like I would leave the house to go do any of that IRL. Okay I do and have still gone outside and like, gone to restaurants I’m not entirely a hermit, but I’m not about to go take in a 360 camera to take panoramas everywhere I go. Pretty sure that would draw some serious looks.

Summary/Next steps

I think that after the save/load works, I need to spend some time testing/verifying things. I’ve gone and done a bunch of changes, but haven’t fully tested all of it out yet. So I’ll be testing the save/load of course, but also need to test/verify the model saving/loading, since that is something I haven’t yet, I think I tested 3d rendering with just a mesh generated via Lua, I’d like to be able to test out that model loading of different file types works as expected/desired, and if not need to finish that up, then I think I’ll be in business for doing some brief game prototyping.

Additionally, I’ll need to go test out and implement the physics stuff as well, and the save/load for the physics data. Maybe some sort of physics sandbox game is in the future? or perhaps some sort of street racing/street crashing game. that could be fun.

Also the miniaudio sound stuff is planned in the near future, so perhaps some music making stuff should be done too, I haven’t brushed up on playing piano or percussion in like 7-8 years, I’ve been thinking of getting a MIDI keyboard of some kind to practice up again, but I might just satisfy myself with using musescore or LMMS for now, just with the keyboard or with clicking on the piano roll. issue is getting inspiration to make music that way is much harder because you can’t really just jam out on a piano roll.

Been trying to maintain momentum on my engine since I find that if I’m enjoying it, it’s easier to get more stuff done, so I’m also going to try to maintain momentum by continuing to write these things on a weekly or more often schedule when I’m excited to write stuff, because it helps me maintain that momentum and excitement for what I’m working on.

Engine progress


Engine progress! Basically save/loading is working and tested with basic entities and components, aside from the whole saving/loading meshes and materials. I tested by saving out an entity, removing that entity, and then loading it back, and then saving it again. if the two save files matches, i considered it a pass. They matched!

This leads to kind of the next little difficulty though, saving/loading models. So right now my rendering renders Meshes, in MeshComponents that are attached to each entity that has a mesh. This is great an all, and a Mesh will have a material set for it by calling mesh.setMaterial(material) on it. The issue comes though, in that when you load a model, the model can have multiple meshes. So then there is the question of how does one handle that?

My previous plan was to load a model, save it in a ModelComponent and then use the meshes from that to populate child entities with MeshComponents filled out for each of the meshes in the model. I thought this would be good because then rendering just cares about the mesh components and that’s that. The problem here comes in with a few things:

  1. I don’t have anything to handle having children transformations be based on the parent transformation, that means if a model needs to be moved, with all of its pieces, then each mesh piece needs to be moved individually.
  2. If a model doesn’t load a material properly to each mesh every time, there is no good way to save the material modifications needed to work
  3. If I want to change a mesh material after the model is loaded, I cannot do that and then save it. This is especially problematic because I see myself wanting to be able to change the model on the fly or change the materials used with the model on the fly.

So how I plan to deal with this, I think my best bet is to add ModelComponent to the list of things the renderer basically cares about, so I would pull the meshes from there, and then figure out how to save the model with changes to the materials, etc, and/or figure out how to save just the mesh data out, and then not worry about “models” other than for importing things, then each mesh would be saved out with its own material, or maybe it would be saved out sans material and I would just use a MaterialComponent for each entity that has a MeshComponent so that I can change materials on a per entity basis.

Obviously I’m still working out the hiccups, but that’s my thought process so far.


The other item is that the amount of commands I would have to type out to load up a material and model are getting quite long, so I figure its time I get looking into the GUI stuff at least to have a GUI for editing.

My latest decision was to use Nuklear for UI things. Nuklear is basically a single header file GUI library, the main hurdles for using it seem to be implementing whatever rendering stuff it needs, and then also figuring out how to deal with an immediate mode UI rendering, but making all the UI stuff be configurable from Lua code.

I think in my mind it makes most sense for the Lua code to configure/lay out the UI stuff in some data format, and then just have C++ go parse the data structure or layout or whatever it is, and then call the nuklear methods based on that.

So right now I’m browsing the 1k lines of code example for Nuklear, and then going to try to figure out how to implement the necessary rendering stuff for it to render, then i’ll probably try to figure out how to store/communicate what the UI is that is needed by Lua into the C++ engine.


Artwork is still happening, I have a few more models since the last post but I don’t have a big image made including the new ones, so no new render today I think, I’ve been posting renders from Blender in the discord, and will hopefully get the model stuff in and then be able to post in engine screenshots instead of blender renders.

I’ve also been browsing street view in various countries as well to try to get a feel for what different cities in different places feel like and look like, may try my hand at making some city shops or buildings at some point, but I would like to make them as modular as possible so that I can go in later and reuse the pieces for different things.

Next steps

Finish off the model loading/saving/materials nonsense and then UI. then audio. and making sure my issue tracker is up to date.

After that, likely making sure the physics engine data goes into the save/load stuff (it is not saveable or loadable yet) and then testing that out. Already have a design doc somewhat started on a racing game, may share that at some point in the future, but as usual my game ideas snowball like crazy with scope creep so will probably need to pare it down at some point to a demo-able piece compared to the MVP and the full wishlist.

Engine progress


Alright, been a bit of a slowdown here on the engine progress in terms of save/load. basically I was confused on how to do the whole mesh/model saving/loading stuff, which was all fine and dandy, so I decided to just save out the meshes to binary and then load them back. I already had a importMesh and an exportMesh built out at some point in the now distant past.

So I went, made a quick MeshLoader to do the save/load on the meshes, then decided I’d write some lua bindings to let me test it before I try to chunk it into the rest of the scene save/load stuff. And it segfaults massively and with unhelpful stacktraces, and valgrind gives some serious output crap.

So let’s take a look at this code I wrote eons past and then see why I’m going to just dump it and use my SerDes type stuff for this instead.

Here are the functions called to do the binary serialization of types that I have defined in a handily named Util.h:

 88 inline std::vector<uint8_t> glmquat_to_uint8vec(glm::quat quaternion){
 89     std::vector<uint8_t> array;
 90     uint8_t* flx=reinterpret_cast<uint8_t*>(&quaternion.x);
 91     uint8_t* fly=reinterpret_cast<uint8_t*>(&quaternion.y);
 92     uint8_t* flz=reinterpret_cast<uint8_t*>(&quaternion.z);
 93     uint8_t* flw=reinterpret_cast<uint8_t*>(&quaternion.w);
 95     for(int i=0;i<sizeof(float);i++){
 96         array.push_back(flx[i]);
 97     }
 98     for(int i=0;i<sizeof(float);i++){
 99         array.push_back(fly[i]);
100     }
101     for(int i=0;i<sizeof(float);i++){
102         array.push_back(flz[i]);
103     }
104     for(int i=0;i<sizeof(float);i++){
105         array.push_back(flw[i]);
106     }
107     return array;
108 }
110 inline uint32_t uint8arr_to_uint32(uint8_t** arr){
111     //AABBCCDD where AA is uppermost byte, DD is lowermost, in order read
112     uint8_t upperupper=(*arr)[0];
113     (*arr)++;
114     uint8_t lowerupper=(*arr)[0];
115     (*arr)++;
116     uint8_t upperlower=(*arr)[0];
117     (*arr)++;
118     uint8_t lowerlower=(*arr)[0];
119     (*arr)++;
120     uint32_t value=(upperupper<<24)+(lowerupper<<16)+(upperlower<<8)+(lowerlower);
121     return value;
122 }
124 inline uint16_t uint8arr_to_uint16(uint8_t** arr){
125     //AABBCCDD where AA is uppermost byte, DD is lowermost, in order read
126     uint8_t upperlower=(*arr)[0];
127     (*arr)++;
128     uint8_t lowerlower=(*arr)[0];
129     (*arr)++;
130     uint16_t value=(upperlower<<8)+(lowerlower);
131     return value;
132 }

Boy that looks fun, and I still wish it worked, I mean saving out works just loading it in finished the whole loading part, and then malloc gives an error when I try to free the data. Some googling says its related to reading past the allotted memory, and yeah I suspect that might be the case, but I sure as heck can’t find where that issue would be, but I’m not familiar with some of the . Anyway I’ll save trying to get that working in binary for when I implement a binary SerDes if ever, for now I’m going to just swap it all out for my JsonSerDes stuff and be good to go. Plus who cares about endianness when it’s a json text file?


Okay, been a bit slower on Blender the past week as well. Was trying to make some modular pieces for making buildings and such, but realized that I don’t really know how I want to go about doing that, not sure if I should like, make the pieces separate and then try to force them to fit into something I’m making, or if I should try to make something first and then cut it up into pieces somehow?

Never having made a modular building kit before of art, I guess I’m a little confused on how to start or go about making one. Also I found myself getting distracted with wanting to make procedural materials for the building pieces instead of making more pieces or just using textures from somewhere.

Definitely seeking input/advice on how you would make a modular kit to use to build various art assets, doesn’t have to be 3d or buildings specifically, but if you prefer to make it all as one art piece and then slice/dice it later, or if you prefer to make pieces and put them together later, and have some sort of reasoning behind it, that sounds great, would love to hear some input on how you do it and maybe there’s a new way or method I could try.

Right now I think I’m sort of stuck because for props its easy to pull out one specific small piece and then find reference for that item, for buildings or other complex structures its hard to get inspiration for what the modular pieces would be/look like, and I have some concerns about the pieces possibly not fitting together well if I try to cut it all up from a combined model first.

Next steps

I think next step is to rewrite my import/export Mesh with the SerDes and then maybe I’ll get to the Nuklear stuff I’ve been ranting about the past post or two.

Also been looking at houses, those darn things sell so fast here, all the things I looked at like 4 days ago are all already under contract and have all their offers, and they were all released onto the market like, that day or the day before.

Engine progress


Mesh Save/load

Well I had quite the run around with Mesh save/load involving valgrind and all sorts of wild debugging. For one, somehow I wound up with circular header includes or something, so I wound up having to forward declare some types just to get it to compile. Somehow that happened when trying to switch Mesh import/export to the SerDes system.

After that I found myself in another predicament where everything compiled but it segfaulted, and gave a really really wild stacktrace in gdb. That was caused by a function not having a return when it should have returned int. Returning int fixed that issue, and all was well. Need to figure out how to make that be a compile error with g++/gcc so that I don’t have that issue. I’ve know for a while that there are some functions that didnt’ have a return statement, but none of them thus far have caused an actual issue that I’m aware of, so possibly going and running cppcheck or making that a compile error would be helpful to fix all of those possible bugs.

To some extent the lua API is written so that it works fine if you don’t make mistakes when using it, if you do, expect wild segfaulting and nonsense.

in any case, Mesh loading works! was able to save a cube, and then load the same cube back and apply a material to it. Next up is material save/load

Material Save/load

Then after mesh save/loading, I need/want to be able to save/load the materials that were assigned to the meshes. So now I’m trying to do the same convert from my silly uint8arr_to_glmvec3 type stuff to the new SerDes stuff for my import/export material methods I made eons ago. Finding similar compilation errors as before, but now that I figured out the solutions for the Mesh, then it should be similar for material to fix them.

The once Material save/load works, it should be possible for meshes to save their own materials out and then load them back. Then Next after that is Model save/load

Model Save/load

Okay model save/load has been having me flip flop on how I want to do it, because it’s hard to figure out how I want to do it if separately at all from the Mesh save/load.

This is partly because of 2 reasons:

  1. Models can consist of multiple meshes, Do I represent that as each individual mesh in each their own entity or do I combine it all into one entity or what?
  2. What if the material loading doesn’t work for the model, or I want to set individual materials for each mesh in the model, how do I save that, along with letting me load back the model again if the source model file changes?
  3. what if the material loaded from the model is fine for a few instances, but what if I want to go change the material on one or all of the meshes in a later entity using the same model? I can’t change the model because I would likely want the model to be able to be shared across multiple entities/meshes.

So what is the solution? I think the solution would likely be to just take models, and load them into a bunch of meshes, each with their own assigned material. and then just save/load the meshes as part of the scene, ignoring that they came from a model at all. This means that I would simply not care about the models at all in scene save/load, but instead I would just write some sort of logic in the Lua scripts that implement the editor to track tying the models to the meshes to allow reloading meshes when the source models have changed.

This may sound a bit like just putting off the whole issue until later, but I actually see it as having a few benefits. I mean in the shipping game would I really care/need to ship the model source files themselves? why wouldn’t I just save them out to my own format to load them from, so I can load faster/with fewer steps? In the final game you’re likely never going to need to reload the mesh from a source mesh file.

Additionally, if I do need the ability to do that, I just take whatever logic I implemented in the editor for doing that, and I can copy /paste it into the game logic lua scripts. So really no feature issues here, just make the lua scripts care about it.

Additionally, loading things through assimp requires stepping it through intermediary aiMesh, aiMaterial, and ton of other types that I don’t use in my engine to render crap out, so really this will skip that whole middle step, granted this does mean that right now all models/meshes are saved/loaded with Json of all things, which is likely a larger file size than even a obj, but it loads directly into the formats I need, with all of the data that I need. That means that it’s likely the best for me right now, and will have less overhead of loading things from file, then looping through all the vertices to convert it to my own data structures, instead now it will just load from file, no extra steps. Later on I can implement Binary save/load and it’ll likely be smaller file sizes, and maybe faster loading because of that, but its still better imo than having overhead of converting between data structures after loading from file.


Back onto the topic of Nuklear and UI stuffs. Still haven’t gotten to implementation yet, trying to sort out the save/load first since UI isn’t technically in the 0.0.1 release, I just want to get going on it sooner so that I can have a UI for my editor stuff, which will make editing/creating things much faster than the current console commands, which means I could get that much closer to making a game in this engine.

I think I’ve sort of figured out how I want to do UI, basically the UI needs to be rendering by calling nuklear methods for each item/element of the UI, which means that somehow I need Lua to be able to do that. I think to make it makes the most sense to create some kind of UI manager which will take some sort of data structure or structures populated by the Lua, and then will basically iterate through them to call the Nuklear commands, and then the UI would be drawn via Nuklear’s drawing methods, which means that all Lua would have to do is basically set up the structure, say what Lua method to call when there is some input on the UI widgets, and then it goes into a entity or something somewhere which gets pulled into the RenderState and then rendered from there.

I will say this process of implementing Nuklear compared to if I used my own UI system does seem a bit more convoluted, because basically the steps are:

  1. generate data structure for the UI/menu in lua and stick it into a component or some shit to be saved/loaded as well as pulled in to be rendered
  2. in the Update Thread pull the UI data into the RenderState to be passed to the render thread
  3. in render thread, convert the data structure into nuklear calls. Along the way add callbacks for UI input to the stack of tasks to happen in the update thread
  4. then render the nuklear crap also in the rendering thread.

This means that basically the render thread now has to not just render all the rendering crap, but also call the methods to populate the nuklear UI, as well as to render the Nuklear UI. Not sure if that’s more overhead than if I used my own system or not, since I would basically be going from data -> rendered right away. However Nuklear seems still like the best option for now, because of the sheer quantity of already implemented UI widgets and input boxes, along with it all being skinnable already. It just makes sense to use Nuklear for now and eat the overhead costs if any. Maybe if I get to profiling everything later and find out that it’s taking too long on just the nuklear calls and rendering in the render thread, maybe then I’ll change it.

But it also may be worth, instead of just doing the nuklear calls in the render thread, I could likely just save a nuklear context in the RenderState, and call all the Nuklear UI widget calls in the Update thread instead, and just pass the context to the render thread to do the actual rendering, so the UI population would happen on a different thread than the rendering. Hard to say, right now without many models, Rendering goes as fast as it wants, Update thread is tick limited, although I’ve noticed differences between Linux and Windows in what speed it claims to be going, on Windows it was going half the tick speed I told it to, so then I changed it to be 60 ticks a second on windows, and now it’s basically double that on Linux. Not sure that matters so much, I don’t think it should matter anyways.

Also I’ll likely want a way to configure the UI look from Lua. there are ways you can do different skinning, and apparently you can get a modified version of Nuklear to look like this:

If that’s not like, a regular ass game menu then I don’t know what is. So if I can make something that looks like that or works like that with Nuklear, then I think we’re golden. might need to do some hacky stuff to make it work with controller but obviously its been done before.

A Rendering Conundrum

So some time after I had the mesh save/load working, I noticed that I was no longer having the lighting work on the mesh I was testing with (the usual brick textured cube you see if you scroll wayyy back.) I’m pretty sure right when I tested the mesh save/load it was working, but now it isn’t.

So I set up renderdoc and took a capture of it to try to see what is wrong, and I found this when I looked at the normal texture used to compute lighting:

For those of you unfamiliar with what normals should look like when rendered to a texture, this is not it, there are somehow is no normal data for the mesh.

And of course, a little analysis later, and I found this in my git log:

-    Mesh.setMaterial(mesh,material);
-    Mesh.GenerateNormals(mesh);
+    --Mesh.setMaterial(mesh,material);
+    --Mesh.GenerateNormals(mesh);
+    --Mesh.Save(mesh, "MESH_01.bin");

So I commented out the line that generates the normals of the mesh, not sure if I saved it or not, so I’m uncommenting it, and going to save out the data, and see if the lighting works then. could be the saved mesh just got saved without normals.

EDIT: I did some more investigation, the save/load was working fine, but I hadn’t yet actually added any normals to a mesh before with the add normals command, I had only had the mesh generate them procedurally. the issue proved to be within my add normals and I found one in the add colors methods on my mesh.

Basically I had used the .data() of a std::vector<glm::vec3> but I used it on the argument passed to the method, when I should have used the .data() call on the vector that was saved as a member of the mesh class. Problem solved!

Next Steps

Next steps: wrap up testing the material save/load, then I think I’ll call it quits on model save/load for now until I get the editor commands/UI more figured out. maybe I’ll implement Lua bindings to be able to load meshes/materials from models, that will help me verify my whole Assimp loading stuff is working in this version. I tested that in a previous engine iteration years ago, so likely a good idea to test it with some actual models.

Then also, get going on the nuklear stuff, and also check up on my Quire issue tracking, and wrap up the 0.0.1 release, tag it, and bump the version. once material/mesh save/load is all tested, as far as I’m concerned that’s a wrap on 0.0.1!!!

A surprise break from engine progress

Wanted to discuss about some other things that came up yesterday that caused what could possibly be considered a disruption from engine progress.

I use Archlinux btw.

And I did an few updates yesterday and all this past week, then rebooted my machine yesterday, and the install broke. Wouldn’t even boot, on either my 5.15 kernel or my 4.16 kernel I keep as a backup. Got stuck on a waiting for save/load /dev/rfkill watchdog type message and had no login prompt or anything. I was able to later boot with the 4.xx kernel (and the 5.15 kernel too) with the nomodeset kernel option specified in grub. That’s all fine and good, but nomodeset disables the Kernel Modesetting, which is basically saying when the GPU driver would set up the screen display size, etc. Well, most drivers, the amdgpu driver I use definitely includeed, do not support the type of modesetting that would be done if you specify this option. So that means my system boots, but I cannot get the GPU driver to work properly.

What this meant for my 5.15 kernel is different from my 4.xx kernel. 5.15 I compiled myself because that’s the only way to get a kernel to boot on my setup (see below) and it also was configured to use only the amdgpu driver for graphics, on boot, it does not show the boot logs you typically see at start when you have those enabled on linux. instead you just see some pixels at the top of the screen flickering and changing, since the display is showing memory used for something else. With nomodeset it could “boot” and I would get put onto the login prompt, I know this only because I could see a pixel pattern that it settled to with some blinking pixels after about a regular boot time.
I could then even log in, and watch that pixel pattern change!

So instead I booted to the 4.xx kernel, which did show the boot logs, and would spit me out to a login prompt I could see. logging in worked fine, but then if I wanted to run startx, it initially didn’t work with my config because the amdgpu driver was specified in the config. So I remove the config and ran startxfce4 (I used the XFCE4 environment) and that did actually spit me out onto a GUI desktop once the config was removed. A 800x600 GUI. Because of the nomodeset, that was the best I could do.

So this is a bit of a pain, and I decided its unworkable, so I did some testing yesterday to try to figure out what the issue could be, from checking some systemd and other configurations in /etc as well as checking the logs of what was updated.

I then decided its not worth trying to fix it, because of why I need to compile custom kernels anyways, that actually limits my ability to do any kind of distro hopping or anything like that.

Why I could’t run a non-custom Linux kernel

I got my desktop workstation as a refurb workstation from pcserverandparts. It came with two 2TB HDDs set up in the BIOS in a RAID 0 configuration. Once I got it I did not change that configuration, I put Windows 10 onto a USB stick and installed it, and then promptly installed games.

Then when trying to install dualboot linux onto it, I discovered something awful. I couldn’t for the life of me get Linux to boot from it for me, for the longest time.

The issue turned out to be that you need to have a very specific kernel setup, that I only once was able to completely build from scratch, using Gentoo’s genkernel tools. This consisted of a special initramfs as well as a build of the kernel. This special build needed to have the kernel build to include mdadm not as a module, but compiled right on in. it also needed some configuration i don’t remember anymore in the initramfs and could never successfully build again on archlinux (it started Gentoo, but I got tired of compiling everything on HDDs so I live swapped it to Arch by pacstrapping myself an arch install in a folder, and then copying files from that into the root of the OS while I was running that same OS. That feels both exhilarating and scary af at the same time, but super bad-ass when you pull it off and it works) So I was stuck with using an old initramfs from the 4.xx kernel, with the newer 5.15 kernel.

This whole mess meant that basically I relied on the setup I had in that install and could not or did not want to change any of it. Until it conveniently broke and I said forget it all.

my solution

So I went and solved it. I backed up my stuff from both the windows partition and the linux partition, then I went into the BIOS, undid the RAID configuration. Then wiped it, and now I have installed debian onto it (I had it laying on a USB stick already from installing it onto a laptop) and I’m running the KDE plasma desktop environment.

I also set it up, so I have one of the 2TB drives is my /home, and the other is partitioned into a 30% sized partition for my root partition, and then a EFI and a swap space of course. This way I can create new partitions and then do some distro hopping, while still having access to my /home and files.


I’m a bit sad that my arch install of 3 years broke and I wasn’t able to or didn’t try to fix it properly, but I’m quite glad that it helped me get rid of that hindrance of the drives being in RAID, and it’s about time I got back to my distro hopping roots. I say even though I’m likely to not even switch away, I love Debian as a rock solid distro, and this is my first time running KDE on a machine that can handle it.

Who knows, maybe I’ll get going on some Linux From Scratch stuff and do that instead of Gentoo or Arch or any of that.

Now I just need to re=clone my game engine project and get back to it!
And maybe see if the VR works better or if steam and maybe lutris work better and I can run Epic games?

Back onto the Game engine

Brief follow-up to last time on my desktop: It’s works so smoothly on Debian with KDE plasma, I’ve even been told that my time on Arch was what the stereotypical Linux user has to deal with, where things break or don’t work left, right, and center, but my time on Debian is what Linux is meant to be, stuff kind of just works out of the box (once you install things). With Debian I have steam working, games that didn’t quite run as well on my Arch setup now run perfectly with Debian. I have Epic Games launcher installed via Lutris and working, and most games there (except Cities Skylines, which I think also required extra setup on windows to get some 3rd party launcher) all seem to work out of the box with no issues.

Engine progress

So I got my engine checked out again, installed all the dependencies I forgot about needing to compile it, and now it compiles again, back on track.

Had an issue where my JsonSerDes was outputting some garbled stuff at the beginning of the json output, fixed that with a strdup and then a free after it was used.

Next issue I’m having now I sort of foresaw. Basically Pico Json has limited facilities for how it will store numbers in json. I keep track of assets via what I call a RUID which is basically a uint32_t but picojson just stores things as doubles. I think this might be why I’m having issues, where basically I save out the RUIDs for assets to the save file, but then when loaded back in from the file the RUID is different. So I suspect I need to do a special case with handling ints and unsigned ints to be saved out instead of passing everything through to doubles. Not sure why the library just doesn’t already provide int save/load to json, but it might also be that one would expect a double to always work and have the same value (I kind of did, maybe some sort of precision thing?)

RUIDs and File/asset loading

Wanted to also mention more about the RUIDs, i don’t remember ever really going on about that in depth, but I’ve been gruedorfing for nearly a whole year now (currently writing this part on Feb 1st, will be a year on Feb 9th), so its hard to remember.

Basically when I was designing how I wanted asset loading to work on my engine, I read a few blog posts somewhere (That I likely won’t be able to find again) about it. Basically I want to be able to create a zip, archive or something like that and be able to load things from there, but I still need a way to reference the asset files, even if the path they are in in the final build is not the same as during development.

So I decided on the RUID mechanism I use. Basically I take the string path that is where the file is while doing development, and then hash it to a uint32_t, and store that as the RUID. In my FSManager I make a map of all known hashes and their paths just for use during development. This means that during development, I can just give it a path, and it’ll compute a hash from there, and if it’s not loading from an archive, it’ll just use the path.

Then later when I go to make a zip or other form of archive, I can likely make some sort of manifest file/entry table or something basically saying what offset in the archive the asset for each RUID is. So this way I can potentially even just have assets be saved on a server somewhere, and then have my FSManager handle caching them, and loading them from server and the rest of the game engine just act likes normal, give it a RUID hash, it works find and uses the lookup table. Give it the path that was used for the asset during development? just compute the hash from there and do the lookup with the generated hash.

This method is also nice because then when I’m writing a Lua script, I can reference assets directly with the path instead of needing to use some silly RUID reference or needing to write/have a tool to let me select the asset and use the reference. It’s fine for a script or something to ship in the final game using the asset path instead of RUID.

What’s Next?

I feel like I keep going on about all sorts of things I’d rather work on than debugging the save/load stuff, and it’s true, I’d much rather be shoving a UI system into this thing or implementing audio whatevers, but I also need the save/load to work, otherwise there’s not much point in having an editor UI, because that would just let me implement a bunch of stuff that can’t be saved. Plus I’m sure the UI and audio implementations will all have their own difficulties and their own problems to debug. That seems to be the neverending task of development.

One thing I think I will likely do later, is try to sort the issue tracking stuff I have better, to let me have the milestones be in smaller chunks, that could happen more quickly. Part of my difficulty with that though of course is that I like to sometimes take a break from the pain of the hard stuff, to go work on something fun, so some of the things I’m working on now weren’t originally in my first milestone. So I think part of it will be planning some fun things to do in each milestone, along with some of the less fun things, but of course there’s also the issue of things that were fun later becoming less fun when they have problems.

Also I think I’ll try to plan some time to go run cppcheck or other such tools on my engine, to try to make sure it has a solid base to build the future things onto. Otherwise I may find myself scratching my head on why things don’t work, and hopefully I won’t end up with stability issues for too long, I suspect some of the stability issues I’ve had in the past could be resolved with some serious valgrind work or some cppcheck stuff. it’s difficult to make things like this be completely bulletproof, but I’m sure if I keep running the tools and fixing parts here and there that it won’t be too large of a task to do a little bit each milestone

1 Year anniversary of Gruedorfing!

Huzzah, that’s right. I started this stuff on Feb 9th 2021, and now here we are at Feb 9th 2022 (not at time of writing, this might be posted early, I’m writing this on Feb 3rd because I already have things to mention that seem to go well with the 1 year anniversary thing)

Have I gotten a lot done? Well not as much as I would have planned/hoped when I started, I sort of hoped to have completed a few of my planned milestones last year. But I do have good news, I completed 0.0.1! sort of.

0.0.1 milestone complete!

Again, sort of. I didn’t bother finishing testing the scene save/load, I just fixed the errors I was having with my test case of testing material save/load which was to have a lua script manually save/load materials etc, I didn’t let the scene save it all and load it all, I likely have to add material saving still to my scene save/load.

But now I can go on to my next milestone of doing UI things! But I should also probably try to better define what the milestone will look like, the first milestone of 0.0.1 took me so long to wrap up I think I should definitely downscale my expectations for 0.0.2, just because I’ll likely also try to scope creep the next milestone too.

But before we go on to rant about 0.0.2 planning, let’s cover what we have implemented, and what is tested, so far:

  • Lua script running, ticking
  • Lua APIs to load/save meshes, materials, load textures, add/remove entities and components to entities, bind/map lua functions to input actions
  • working input manager that is mostly tested (but with mouse input being broken due to using the wrong type of mouse input)
  • PBR Deferred renderer with a forward pass that handles rendering text and will eventually handle rendering transparent/non-opaque objects (transparency/blending not yet implemented or tested)
    • Only does direct lighting so far, no IBL, no GI
    • 3d point lights do work, no other light types
  • In engine versioning that should work with Jenkins
    • (Tested, but I don’t trust Jenkins to not entirely break, need to also back up Jenkins configurations etc.)
  • docker container which can build engine, working in Jenkins
  • Scene loading/saving
  • Generic Json serialization/deserialization implementation, can be drop in replaced with other types of serialization
  • Material creation, save/load
  • mesh save/load, creation from Lua
  • Model loading (from files with Assimp) ported but not tested
  • EnTT based Entity-Component system
    • Hierarchy support added
  • Multithreaded Render and Update loops
  • Generic FSManager abstracting away all filesystem operations from the rest of the engine
  • UTF-8 support for rendering text in Unicode for various languages
    • and font loader for loading/rendering fonts
  • Text input with my own font loading/input methods.
    • used for a lua only console with commands

Wow that is a lot, definitely makes me feel better about how long it took to do all that. I have hopes that now that most of the framework is put together, like the rendering, EnTT, lua scripting, etc, that future features will hopefully be at least a little bit faster to implement, or at least I’ll have less time spent debugging the basic framework and more on the actual feature implementations themselves.

What’s in store for 0.0.2

So initially I had planned for audio to be in 0.0.2, but I think that’s a lot to do Audio, since I also want UI, etc etc. Basically this is the classic case of the product managers wanting everything done yesterday for free, but I’m both the product manager and the dev in this case, so the only person who loses here is me.

So I think here’s my initial plan for 0.0.2:

  • UI support with Nuklear
    • I think this is important because it means I can make the editor more usable than remembering console commands, combine that with having the scene save/load working at least a bit better, then it should mean I can make, save, and load back scenes in engine, which would be helpful for testing rendering in the future, both efficiency/benchmarking, as well as other tests.
  • Add Lua API to load models from files into meshes and materials.
    • This way it’s useful for the editor to be able to import more complex meshes instead of either having to manually define the vertices, faces, texcoords, etc.
  • Fix Mouselook issue
  • add keyboard movement to move around scenes in editor

Basically 0.0.2 will be the “Editor milestone” to get editing things to be a bit more useful, and easy. Get the UI stuff in, make editor UI, make editing more usable than having to accurately type a bunch of commands.

What else is next for the Engine milestones?

Well, based on how long 0.0.1 took and how much stuff was planned for it in my quire project for it, I think it makes sense to try to keep milestones to be smaller, with maybe 2-3 big tasks, and then 1-2 bug fixes/small tasks. This way milestones continue to be a small bite I can feasibly chew in a few months instead of a whole year.

With this logic in mind, I’m trying to basically have a theme for each of the next several milestones, since there are a lot of major chunks I still want to put in before I drop the 0.1.0 release, which I would call the “Barely works but has all the pieces together to make a game in” release.

So the next few releases/milestones are likely to be themed like this:

  • 0.0.2 The Editor Milestone
    • add everything necessary to make editing easier
  • 0.0.3 The Physics Milestone
    • add support for creating rigidbodies, kinematic bodies, and physics constraints between the bodies
  • 0.0.4 The Audio Milestone
    • add in the miniaudio stuff, need to figure out if I want to do low level API or high level Engine API, I might just do low level so I can handle controlling the audio data/assets my own way instead of using whatever their way is, but that means I would need to implement some things myself that they likely pre-can into it.
  • 0.0.5 The Asset Packaging/exporting MileStone
    • This is basically the zipping all the scripts, configs, assets needed for a game into a .pak/archive file to be loaded later.

Each milestone may have some extra nice to have features or bug fixes sprinkled in, but this means there are 1-2 big tasks for each milestone, and then some (hopefully) smaller tasks sprinkled in.

Those milestones also will get me most of the way through to 0.1.0 with the basics of what is needed in a game:

  • UI
  • Rendering/3d/scenes
  • Audio
  • Physics

So then making a game by that point would basically be to go into the editor and add entities for things/worlds, write and hook up lua scripts for crap, and then likely writing an init/setup lua script and then hooking it all together.

Only thing missing there is animation, but in all honestly, if I want to make my racing game idea, I don’t think I really need any animation to have physics cars flying around a track, you just need physics to knock shit around, and maybe you can cheat animations by having obtuse ticking/whatever in lua scripts to update stuff each tick. that would definitely get laggy af most likely but we’ll see. If I can chunk out a piece of sh-, I mean, A golden masterpiece game after my 0.0.5 milestone, I think that’ll help me verify that my engine works. skeletal animation and basic animation can all come later/after the fact. Heck controller support can be after the fact as far as I’m concerned, I’m not expecting this thing to be a masterpiece.

So that’s probably about as granular as I want to get with planning for now, There are some other things like translation support and such that I may want to add/move around but this is the basics of what I would need ot make a basic game, and as long as I don’t need anything animated, I could make a shooter, a marble roller/monkeyball game, or a racing game, or any number of other things. Maybe even a golf game, not that a golf game is the kind of game I necessarily think would be the most exciting to make, but it could also have some interesting value add done to it to add loops, and other things. and Golf It is somewhat a relaxing game, so it may make sense to try making a golf game, and it would likely be easier to make into a multiplayer game because people hardly would care about rubber banding in a golf game compared to a high stakes racing or FPS game.

UI System

Okay, now that I’ve laid out what the plan is, time to get into the specifics of the UI. Plan is to basically use Nuklear to do my UI, but nuklear works sort of like imgui, where you basically have to call nuklear functions every single frame for every single UI piece you want to render, that’s great and all but doesn’t really go well with Lua scripting, because I don’t want to have to call into a Lua Script just to get the UI stuff going, it seems like it would make more sense to have a data structure or something that is assembled in Lua, and then Lua only gets called when some input happens.

This is great but I realized that its a bit more complicated than I thought, for a few reasons.

  1. There’s more to a UI than just “Here’s an ordered list of all the widgets I want” because there’s layout involved. each row in Nuklear can have a different height, different number of columns, etc. and they all go into a window. and in the window you can have panels? and then you can have like, trees where there are children UI stuffs that can be hidden/expanded to see, but the same trees can also be used to display trees apparently? I think?
  2. It’s not easy to convey this all in something simple, I was hoping for just a window class to represent the UI window and then like, json or something for the rest, but it seems I’ll need some more classes to figure it all out since there are rows, with row height and number of columns, and crap like that.
  3. You have to call the nuklear commands for each widget to fill the context with what is there, and then you have to parse out some other nuklear commands for what to draw, or you can somehow get what you need to draw in a different format? trying to still figure out how I can render this crap out without tying it to being openGL only since I know my renderer is wayy to involved/connected to everything else right now and I don’t want to make that problem worse for when I want to add GLES 3 or Vulkan. (Yes I want to add at least one of those if not both, GLES 3 would get me mobile and web I believe, Vulkan would also get me mobile support and supposedly if you’re good it can be more efficient, but I believe that to rely on the skill of your implementation and not just from just throwing crap from GL to Vulkan, so I doubt I’d actually have Vulkan be faster)

So I’m not entirely sure yet how I want to do it, I likely will want to get the rendering working with just the windows, and then later I’ll go add in support for the widgets and such.

Likely I’ll end up having some sort of row/bucket type class/struct, and then have that contain various widgets that would be in that row, along with data for the row height, columns, etc.

I’ll also need to figure out how to configure the style/skinning as well, but I think that’s a later feature. I think once I get started I’ll be able to break it into smaller chunks, create more stories in quire for pieces, and maybe rearrange some effort to later milestones, etc.

UI progress

Had some troubles with porting the Nuklear examples, I haven’t gotten Lua bindings or anything together for this just yet, I basically just ripped the example nuklear rendering code for opengl out of an example, and shoved it into my own little wrapper class, and now I have a window like this:

I consider this some pretty good progress!

Okay the title bar is missing from that one, try this one:

This is great! Basically proves that my UI rendering works, along with the rest of the nuklear pipeline (it’s kind of a lot of setup stuff, very confusing, especially if you want to tweak the UI colors, use images, skin it, etc). I haven’t tested any inputs yet or that my code to shove input through to Nuklear works, but this is a great start.

Next I need to figure out how to store rows/UI widgets in my windows, and then also come up with some sort of Lua API to specify what the inputs should be, as well as get the values/inputs out. that’s likely going to be a bit rough I think, but I’ll see what I can do. After I have basic widgets working and lua bindings together I can then work on fleshing out more of the widgets and then also putting together a better editor UI, then I can really get going on stuff.

some art stuff/side project

I decided I wanted to test out Godot 4.0 Alpha 2 for a little bit to see what was new. So I also spend some time in blender making a few things.

I will say that I don’t think I’m ready to work in Godot 4.0 yet, there were some issues I had importing models to where I’d drag in/add the model to a scene, but the mesh would not show up all of the time. That difficulty made it difficult for me to continue doing just because it was not reliable and I think I found a workaround, but the workaround was too much work for it to be worth it for me to continue.

I did however do some stuff in blender and made this candle model with fully procedural textures (that I plan to bake out and export for my engine, my engine can’t do procedural textures and I think that’s not in scope. for now.)

Engine progress

Not much progress on the engine from last week sadly, partially from being distracted with the Godot 4.0 Alpha 2 build testing I was doing. Some small amount of progress on the lua bindings for the UI stuff though.

other stuff.

Lots of other things going on, trying to buy a house, and it has a bundle of things wrong with it that we need or want to fix/repair before or shortly after moving in.

Water heater isn’t to code and is unable to be replaced without cutting whole in the drywall, failed radon test, dishwasher doesn’t work, garbage disposal doesn’t work, whole house fan vents don’t open properly, tree needs branches removed, yadda yadda yada.

But hey! it’s a house and it has lots of storage. like fit our 3 crock pots and the instapot under the counter and have room for like 6+ months worth of pantry items for us kinds of storage space.

I’ve also realized just how expensive furniture can be… we have a big enough space, and I’ve always wanted to have a bar in the house we would get. Issue is, bar counters and bar cabinets all run well into the $3k range each for the nice ones with reasonable size, and we’re going to want one that locks because I have a 13 (almost 14) yo brother-in-law who we like to have visit, and we don’t need him experimenting with that stuff without our supervision. I told my wife we’d have to get just the best farthest bottom shelf cheapest tequila for him to try if he ever asks about trying alcohol, can’t let him go come across the good stuff while we’re not there otherwise he might end up liking it.

So because of all that expense, cost, and that we want something that locks, I’m considering making a bar cabinet (and probably bar too) myself. I did a little bit of wood working growing up, mostly with my dad since he was the one super into it. I’m not sure I’d be into it enough to get like a tablesaw or anything fancy, but if I could do it with a few hand tools maybe, then I could probably slowly come up with a bar cabinet.

I’ll probably start with looking around for plans or coming up with plans for the bar cabinet in freecad. Maybe I can 3d print some of the hardware myself and then assemble the rest of it out of plywood or MDF. Be on the lookout for some CAD stuff in the future I guess instead of just game dev.

Engine progress

Not much to speak of this time, still slogging through the lua bindings for the UI stuff. I now have it so I can do all the same things before you saw for showing a window, but in lua scripts now.
Still no widgets or anything like that but at least now I have somewhat parity between the C++ and the Lua bindings.

Next I think is implementing lua bindings to do the Rows, which are basically to hold each row of ui elements in the window, and then I’ll need to add the C++ and lua to handle any actual input widgets or labels or progress bars and other such things.

Don’t remember if I’ve explain it before so I’ll explain it again, basically the way Nuklear seems to work, based on my possibly limited understanding, is you essentially have a “window” which is essentially a bucket that is a separate window in the UI, you can configure it to be closable, movable, minimizable, resizable, etc.

Then in that Window you have the widgets, but they’re laid out or organized in rows. how exactly they are laid in rows can be changed based on how you want to layout the gui, but basically what I’m planning to do is to have a Window object that just holds Rows, then have the Rows actually hold the UI components themselves. that way I can programmatically generate the full window and specify layout in lua, and all that happens is my UI Manager calls draw on the window, the window calls the nuklear methods to set up the window, then calls draw on its rows, and then each row does the call to set up the layout, and then calls draw on its widgets, which then just does the nuklear calls to set up the actual widgets (and will then get the input results from Nuklear and then ping back into the configured lua script/method with the input from the widget)

Engine testing

I was reading a factorio blog post recently and they mentioned doing automated end to end testing, so I thought it would be good to think about how that could be done, perhaps there are some other frameworks or something that could be used.

I do think that basically having a way to provide fake input to the engine would be easy enough by just adding some stuff to the input manager, to allow triggering input actions outside of needing glfw to actually register the events. I haven’t fully fleshed out the details of what kind of scripts the tests would be written as, but I think it would be helpful to start at least figuring out what engine modifications might be helpful to doing automated tests.

Things like being able to run in a headless mode, that way you can avoid needing to use GPU and still be able to run multiple tests in parallel on the machine.

Maybe having some sort of “on demand” rendering to allow taking screenshots when needed but otherwise just don’t render anything? I’m trying to figure out how useful automated tests would be for testing actual gameplay vs testing just general engine features to ensure there are no regressions, and I suspect taking screenshots may not be the most useful, because I could imagine that the graphic quality would vary a lot at least while a game is being worked on, but maybe if there was a consistent test case for the engine to verify that the graphics rendering seemed to match at least somewhat closely between different renderers?

Additionally, It might be worth being able to capture state/save the entity/component state to compare, then comparisons of state could be done possibly between specific entities that are having functionality tested on, and it would work regardless of the graphics changing.

So those are some thoughts I had about potential features that might need to be added to facilitate writing automated tests, so hopefully then during development of a game, I could set up some automated tests for that game to test some functionality, maybe to verify that the main menu, pause menu, options menu all work and don’t crash, and then I could maybe add them to all run in Jenkins to be automated like once a week or month.

Next steps

Moving next week to a new place. lots of stuff going on for that, and not so much game engine progress expected. But once we get the place set up I’ll probably be right back at it trying to get my UI stuff figured out so I can get the editor on track. Once the editor is on track I’m hopeful I could start making some real games perhaps, even without fully workable physics or audio.

New place

Took a bit longer to complete the move and get my desktop set up than expected, but had an unexpected funeral and road closure keeping me in a different state, so the one week I expected to not have any progress turned into 3 weeks.

Still trying to set up my office, need to set up the 3d printer and better route the ethernet cable from the kitchen on the first floor to my office in the basement. I got a 500ft spool of bulk ethernet cable to be able to route that around everything along the walls, and was going to 3d print brackets to hold it in place.

In order to better route the ethernet cable I’m designing some brackets to use to mount it to the wall so I can 3d print them off, figure since I’ve got a house now I may as well make use of the 3d printer to make things.

The bracket is basically just a half circle with a little hole for a nail to go through:
but I made it parametric in FreeCAD so I can change the size of the hole to fit different nails or screws, and the size of the arc to fit different size cables, or the thickness or overlap of the parts to make it more sturdy if needed. Learning FreeCAD has been good, and I think it might help if I wanted to make furniture or other things that may not be 3d printed, but require good design/planning ahead to make sure everything fits together. Blender is nice for 3d but not sure it’s really parametric in the ways I need to make physical objects.

Game Engine

The status on the game engine is pretty same-y same-y, still doing UI Lua bindings and stuff to try to get it to where I can at least add a single widget to a row and add that to a window.
Once I’m that far implementing other widgets shouldn’t be too bad since Nuklear pretty much pre-cans all the hard parts, so I’m hoping it should be smoother at that point, then once I’ve got a few widgets in I should be able to get some sort of editor UI going and then hopefully from there it’s a simple verifying the model loading stuff was ported properly, maybe dress it up a bit to make it easier to fit into the current framework of how meshes work, and then I should be set for the basics of things.

Then I’ll tackle animation, physics, audio, etc in some future milestone, but I could feasibly start making levels/logic/something once the UI/model loading stuff is in. UI styling might need to be done at some point to make it not look awful, but that’s a longer distance worry for now I think.